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NOTE: The article below was originally published a couple years ago. I took it down because I thought maybe Kleck had moved on and I didn't want to be divisive. However, Kleck is still teaching that Satan and the fallen angels created mankind. In fact, I watched a Kleck video the other night and he is now even teaching that Satan & Co. created the heaven and the earth. It literally made me feel sick to my stomach. The guy has fallen BIG TIME.
God has given Kleck an unbelievable amount of revelation about the end times and the inner workings of Satan. Kleck has sacrificed much to put it out there. But he has fallen into some spiritual madness and I need to warn people about it.
Blessings.
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I told the Lord I don’t want to write this post. It’s unpleasant and potentially divisive and hurtful. But I don’t feel at peace about staying quiet. I feel I must do it.
My concern is that Jonathan Kleck, a prophetic voice and harbinger who has given many inspired insights about the end times, has fallen into deception and is now leading people astray. My wife and I have watched numerous Kleck videos and listened to many of his radio shows. We benefited from this ministry and have supported it financially and with encouraging words. There are even references to Kleck’s videos on this blog.
BUT recently Kleck released several videos in which he claims Satan and the fallen angels created mankind in their image, not God as it states in Genesis chapter 1. To make this claim, Kleck says the Hebrew word Elohim, the second most common word for God in the Old Testament next to Yahweh or Jehovah, really means Satan and the fallen angels. With one linguistic perversion, Kleck is effectively saying that much of what the Old Testament has to say about the Lord God Almighty may instead pertain to Satan and his minions. Elohim is used all over the Old Testament – the Torah, Psalms, Prophets, you name it! This is a mockery of the Bible, the word of God, and gives glory to Satan that belongs to God.
So I privately and respectfully confronted Kleck about this issue and urged him to repent. Please see the email chain appended below. He responded that my studying of the Bible was irrelevant compared to his spiritual gifts and direct “revelations.” In other words, Kleck is claiming to be something like an infallible oracle of God, and who am I to question him, even if his “revelations” contradict the Scriptures. That sounds like the attitude of a cult leader. Looking at the comments on his videos, there also seems to be a large following of people who are receiving his messages without critical examination.
I am sure many others are pushing back on Kleck too, judging by how defensive he has been in some recent videos.
Look, we are all mortals living in fleshly bodies and capable of falling. I have to repent of things every day. All I am saying is that Kleck has fallen into deception and pride and I pray he repents, because this nonsense is tarnishing the credibility of the genuine revelations God has given him in the past. Until he does, people need to be careful, because if Kleck is willing to say Satan and the fallen angels created us – that humanity is some kind of Frankenstein lab experiment made by devils – what will he say next?
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God has given Kleck an unbelievable amount of revelation about the end times and the inner workings of Satan. Kleck has sacrificed much to put it out there. But he has fallen into some spiritual madness and I need to warn people about it.
Blessings.
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I told the Lord I don’t want to write this post. It’s unpleasant and potentially divisive and hurtful. But I don’t feel at peace about staying quiet. I feel I must do it.
My concern is that Jonathan Kleck, a prophetic voice and harbinger who has given many inspired insights about the end times, has fallen into deception and is now leading people astray. My wife and I have watched numerous Kleck videos and listened to many of his radio shows. We benefited from this ministry and have supported it financially and with encouraging words. There are even references to Kleck’s videos on this blog.
BUT recently Kleck released several videos in which he claims Satan and the fallen angels created mankind in their image, not God as it states in Genesis chapter 1. To make this claim, Kleck says the Hebrew word Elohim, the second most common word for God in the Old Testament next to Yahweh or Jehovah, really means Satan and the fallen angels. With one linguistic perversion, Kleck is effectively saying that much of what the Old Testament has to say about the Lord God Almighty may instead pertain to Satan and his minions. Elohim is used all over the Old Testament – the Torah, Psalms, Prophets, you name it! This is a mockery of the Bible, the word of God, and gives glory to Satan that belongs to God.
So I privately and respectfully confronted Kleck about this issue and urged him to repent. Please see the email chain appended below. He responded that my studying of the Bible was irrelevant compared to his spiritual gifts and direct “revelations.” In other words, Kleck is claiming to be something like an infallible oracle of God, and who am I to question him, even if his “revelations” contradict the Scriptures. That sounds like the attitude of a cult leader. Looking at the comments on his videos, there also seems to be a large following of people who are receiving his messages without critical examination.
I am sure many others are pushing back on Kleck too, judging by how defensive he has been in some recent videos.
Look, we are all mortals living in fleshly bodies and capable of falling. I have to repent of things every day. All I am saying is that Kleck has fallen into deception and pride and I pray he repents, because this nonsense is tarnishing the credibility of the genuine revelations God has given him in the past. Until he does, people need to be careful, because if Kleck is willing to say Satan and the fallen angels created us – that humanity is some kind of Frankenstein lab experiment made by devils – what will he say next?
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MY EMAIL:
Hi Jonathan,
I wanted to write you concerning your new doctrine about Satan and the fallen angels creating mankind in their image. My wife ——— and I have learned much from your ministry and supported it financially. However, this new doctrine plainly contradicts God’s word and I feel compelled to warn you.
Elohim is the second most common word for God in the Old Testament and occurs about 2,500 times throughout. It is second only to the word Jehovah. These two words are synonymous as demonstrated by this verse:
"God [Elohim] spoke further to Moses and said to him, 'I am the Lord [Jehovah].'" – Exodus 6:2
Elohim almost always means God, the Lord God, the Creator God, in the Hebrew Old Testament. Yes, elohim can also refer to pagan gods or magistrates or angels, as in Psalm 82, but that’s the exception, not the rule. Just because the word is plural doesn’t mean it refers to Satan and the fallen angels. The plurality of Elohim may simply be a Hebrew idiosyncrasy or it may refer to the manifold magnificence of God or the fact that the Father and the Son are one.
By stringing together Psalm 82 with the account of creation in Genesis 1 and taking them out of context, you are fabricating an esoteric meaning that plainly contradicts the whole Bible. Satan and the fallen angels did not create anything. The Father God through Jesus Christ the Son created EVERYTHING:
"For by Him [Jesus Christ] all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him." – Colossians 1:16
I agree the Bible speaks about “gods” as in angelic rulers or principalities. The Apostle Paul even referred to Satan as a “god”:
"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelieving…" – 2 Corinthians 4:3-4
This is a reference to Satan’s worldly influence and authority during this age, at least until Jesus Christ shows up on a white horse with a sword to deal with him. It doesn’t mean Satan created anything. Satan can manipulate creation for his twisted purposes, and even contributed to the corruption of mankind, but he didn’t create anything.
The Apostle Paul also affirmed that men are created in God’s image:
"For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God…" -2 Corinthians 11:7
By saying that Satan and his angelic minions effectively created mankind in their image, you are giving glory to Satan that belongs to God alone. Putting forth this false doctrine also tarnishes the credibility of all the other amazing revelations God has given you.
Brother, you have fallen for a deception and I do hope you repent of it.
Sincerely,
Mike Fisch
Hi Jonathan,
I wanted to write you concerning your new doctrine about Satan and the fallen angels creating mankind in their image. My wife ——— and I have learned much from your ministry and supported it financially. However, this new doctrine plainly contradicts God’s word and I feel compelled to warn you.
Elohim is the second most common word for God in the Old Testament and occurs about 2,500 times throughout. It is second only to the word Jehovah. These two words are synonymous as demonstrated by this verse:
"God [Elohim] spoke further to Moses and said to him, 'I am the Lord [Jehovah].'" – Exodus 6:2
Elohim almost always means God, the Lord God, the Creator God, in the Hebrew Old Testament. Yes, elohim can also refer to pagan gods or magistrates or angels, as in Psalm 82, but that’s the exception, not the rule. Just because the word is plural doesn’t mean it refers to Satan and the fallen angels. The plurality of Elohim may simply be a Hebrew idiosyncrasy or it may refer to the manifold magnificence of God or the fact that the Father and the Son are one.
By stringing together Psalm 82 with the account of creation in Genesis 1 and taking them out of context, you are fabricating an esoteric meaning that plainly contradicts the whole Bible. Satan and the fallen angels did not create anything. The Father God through Jesus Christ the Son created EVERYTHING:
"For by Him [Jesus Christ] all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him." – Colossians 1:16
I agree the Bible speaks about “gods” as in angelic rulers or principalities. The Apostle Paul even referred to Satan as a “god”:
"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelieving…" – 2 Corinthians 4:3-4
This is a reference to Satan’s worldly influence and authority during this age, at least until Jesus Christ shows up on a white horse with a sword to deal with him. It doesn’t mean Satan created anything. Satan can manipulate creation for his twisted purposes, and even contributed to the corruption of mankind, but he didn’t create anything.
The Apostle Paul also affirmed that men are created in God’s image:
"For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God…" -2 Corinthians 11:7
By saying that Satan and his angelic minions effectively created mankind in their image, you are giving glory to Satan that belongs to God alone. Putting forth this false doctrine also tarnishes the credibility of all the other amazing revelations God has given you.
Brother, you have fallen for a deception and I do hope you repent of it.
Sincerely,
Mike Fisch
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JONATHAN KLECK’S RESPONSE:
I’m
sorry you do not understand it…And your (((studying))) over the
revelation that comes with all but one of the gifts of the Spirit is
superfluous..And now I warn you to the contrary and you are welcome to
believe as you please but we will ALL give an account..Amen
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MY REPLY:
Jonathan, thanks for the reply. I think I see what you are
saying – that you believe your direct revelation in the spirit
supersedes and can even contradict the Scriptures. That’s a dangerous
place to be, brother. God is not the author of confusion. His words do not contradict themselves and do not change. They stand forever.
I am seeing MANY people, even those I respect, stumble and fall these days. This end-times prophecy is being fulfilled right now in real time:
"Even some of those with discernment will stumble, so that some of them will be refined, purified and cleansed for an end yet to come at the designated time." – Daniel 11:35
I wrote about it here:
http://mystic2020.blogspot.com/2017/01/even-some-with-discernment-will-stumble_1.html
I am seeing MANY people, even those I respect, stumble and fall these days. This end-times prophecy is being fulfilled right now in real time:
"Even some of those with discernment will stumble, so that some of them will be refined, purified and cleansed for an end yet to come at the designated time." – Daniel 11:35
I wrote about it here:
http://mystic2020.blogspot.com/2017/01/even-some-with-discernment-will-stumble_1.html
http://mystic2020.blogspot.com/2017/01/even-some-with-discernment-will-stumble_2.html
Shalom,
Mike
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