Showing posts with label Deception. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Deception. Show all posts

Wednesday, January 30, 2019

Why I Believe Jonathan Kleck Is Now Leading People Astray

NOTE: The article below was originally published a couple years ago. I took it down because I thought maybe Kleck had moved on and I didn't want to be divisive. However, Kleck is still teaching that Satan and the fallen angels created mankind. In fact, I watched a Kleck video the other night and he is now even teaching that Satan & Co. created the heaven and the earth. It literally made me feel sick to my stomach. The guy has fallen BIG TIME.

God has given Kleck an unbelievable amount of revelation about the end times and the inner workings of Satan. Kleck has sacrificed much to put it out there. But he has fallen into some spiritual madness and I need to warn people about it. 

Blessings.

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I told the Lord I don’t want to write this post. It’s unpleasant and potentially divisive and hurtful. But I don’t feel at peace about staying quiet. I feel I must do it.

My concern is that Jonathan Kleck, a prophetic voice and harbinger who has given many inspired insights about the end times, has fallen into deception and is now leading people astray. My wife and I have watched numerous Kleck videos and listened to many of his radio shows. We benefited from this ministry and have supported it financially and with encouraging words. There are even references to Kleck’s videos on this blog.

BUT recently Kleck released several videos in which he claims Satan and the fallen angels created mankind in their image, not God as it states in Genesis chapter 1. To make this claim, Kleck says the Hebrew word Elohim, the second most common word for God in the Old Testament next to Yahweh or Jehovah, really means Satan and the fallen angels. With one linguistic perversion, Kleck is effectively saying that much of what the Old Testament has to say about the Lord God Almighty may instead pertain to Satan and his minions. Elohim is used all over the Old Testament – the Torah, Psalms, Prophets, you name it! This is a mockery of the Bible, the word of God, and gives glory to Satan that belongs to God.
So I privately and respectfully confronted Kleck about this issue and urged him to repent. Please see the email chain appended below. He responded that my studying of the Bible was irrelevant compared to his spiritual gifts and direct “revelations.” In other words, Kleck is claiming to be something like an infallible oracle of God, and who am I to question him, even if his “revelations” contradict the Scriptures. That sounds like the attitude of a cult leader. Looking at the comments on his videos, there also seems to be a large following of people who are receiving his messages without critical examination.
I am sure many others are pushing back on Kleck too, judging by how defensive he has been in some recent videos. 

Look, we are all mortals living in fleshly bodies and capable of falling. I have to repent of things every day. All I am saying is that Kleck has fallen into deception and pride and I pray he repents, because this nonsense is tarnishing the credibility of the genuine revelations God has given him in the past. Until he does, people need to be careful, because if Kleck is willing to say Satan and the fallen angels created us – that humanity is some kind of Frankenstein lab experiment made by devils – what will he say next?


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MY EMAIL:
Hi Jonathan,

I wanted to write you concerning your new doctrine about Satan and the fallen angels creating mankind in their image. My wife ——— and I have learned much from your ministry and supported it financially. However, this new doctrine plainly contradicts God’s word and I feel compelled to warn you.

Elohim is the second most common word for God in the Old Testament and occurs about 2,500 times throughout. It is second only to the word Jehovah. These two words are synonymous as demonstrated by this verse: 

"God [Elohim] spoke further to Moses and said to him, 'I am the Lord [Jehovah].'" – Exodus 6:2

Elohim almost always means God, the Lord God, the Creator God, in the Hebrew Old Testament. Yes, elohim can also refer to pagan gods or magistrates or angels, as in Psalm 82, but that’s the exception, not the rule. Just because the word is plural doesn’t mean it refers to Satan and the fallen angels. The plurality of Elohim may simply be a Hebrew idiosyncrasy or it may refer to the manifold magnificence of God or the fact that the Father and the Son are one.

By stringing together Psalm 82 with the account of creation in Genesis 1 and taking them out of context, you are fabricating an esoteric meaning that plainly contradicts the whole Bible. Satan and the fallen angels did not create anything. The Father God through Jesus Christ the Son created EVERYTHING:

"For by Him [Jesus Christ] all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him." – Colossians 1:16

I agree the Bible speaks about “gods” as in angelic rulers or principalities. The Apostle Paul even referred to Satan as a “god”:

"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelieving…" – 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

This is a reference to Satan’s worldly influence and authority during this age, at least until Jesus Christ shows up on a white horse with a sword to deal with him. It doesn’t mean Satan created anything. Satan can manipulate creation for his twisted purposes, and even contributed to the corruption of mankind, but he didn’t create anything.
The Apostle Paul also affirmed that men are created in God’s image:

"For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God…" -2 Corinthians 11:7

By saying that Satan and his angelic minions effectively created mankind in their image, you are giving glory to Satan that belongs to God alone. Putting forth this false doctrine also tarnishes the credibility of all the other amazing revelations God has given you.
Brother, you have fallen for a deception and I do hope you repent of it.

Sincerely,

Mike Fisch

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JONATHAN KLECK’S RESPONSE:

I’m sorry you do not understand it…And your (((studying))) over the revelation that comes with all but one of the gifts of the Spirit is superfluous..And now I warn you to the contrary and you are welcome to believe as you please but we will ALL give an account..Amen

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MY REPLY:



Jonathan, thanks for the reply. I think I see what you are saying – that you believe your direct revelation in the spirit supersedes and can even contradict the Scriptures. That’s a dangerous place to be, brother. God is not the author of confusion. His words do not contradict themselves and do not change. They stand forever. 
 
I am seeing MANY people, even those I respect, stumble and fall these days. This end-times prophecy is being fulfilled right now in real time:

"Even some of those with discernment will stumble, so that some of them will be refined, purified and cleansed for an end yet to come at the designated time." – Daniel 11:35

I wrote about it here: 
http://mystic2020.blogspot.com/2017/01/even-some-with-discernment-will-stumble_1.html

http://mystic2020.blogspot.com/2017/01/even-some-with-discernment-will-stumble_2.html
 

Shalom,

Mike

Wednesday, September 5, 2018

The Hebrew Roots Movement Is a False Gospel

Without realizing it, I have been observing the Hebrew Roots movement for around 13 years. I had some friends and acquaintances with a peculiar focus on the Jewish roots of Christianity, the Old Testament and especially the Torah, eating kosher and observing Hebrew feasts. It didn’t occur to me then that this was a broad movement, but I now see it is. I witnessed problems with their philosophy that motivated me to look more closely at the Scriptures. It’s clear to me now that the Hebrew Roots movement is exactly the same doctrine that the Apostle Paul saw creeping into the church at Galatia when he wrote:

I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from Him who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel.” – Galatians 1:6, Holman

The Hebrew Roots movement believes that Christians – followers of Jesus Christ, or Yeshua HaMashiach for those who prefer Hebrew – are required to keep the law of Moses. In support of this, they cite what Jesus said in Matthew 5:

Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.” – Matthew 5:17-18, NASB

Did Jesus mean to say here that his followers must keep the law of Moses? That’s a possible interpretation if you look at the passage in isolation and don’t with clarify it with other Scriptures speaking to the same issue. But there are many other passages in the Bible that fully contradict the Hebrew Roots interpretation. Moreover, the only way to understand any given verse is to read it in context of the whole Bible. This is how we receive the whole counsel of God. Scripture interprets itself and all Scripture is the inspired words of God, not just the quotes of Jesus. Otherwise we risk misinterpretation and falling into error and deception.

So let’s examine other Scriptures that address the law.

In Acts 15 we read about a dispute in the early church where some Jews were teaching Gentile believers in Antioch that they must be circumcised to be saved. Circumcision was required of all males by the law of Moses. The Apostle Paul and Barnabas opposed this teaching and the matter was escalated to the apostles and elders in Jerusalem. Some of the believers who were Pharisees stood up and said:

It is necessary to circumcise them and to command them to keep the law of Moses!” – Acts 15:5, Holman

After assembling and considering the matter, the apostles and elders decided circumcision was NOT necessary and wrote to the believers in Antioch:

For it was the Holy Spirit’s decision—and ours—to put no greater burden on you than these necessary things: that you abstain from food offered to idols, from blood, from eating anything that has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. You will do well if you keep yourselves from these things.” – Acts 15:28-29, Holman

Here the apostles of the early church clearly affirmed that believers are not under the law of Moses. Abstaining from blood – and by extension strangled animals because that method of killing does not drain blood from the carcass – was a command given by God to Noah and all mankind after the flood when God started to allow animals to be eaten. That was about 800 years before the law of Moses was established. Idolatry is an offense to our Creator and sexual immorality pollutes our bodies and souls. None of these four requirements put Christians under the law.

Why then was the law introduced? Did it serve a purpose? Yes, and still does! The Apostle Paul explained in Romans:

Now we know that whatsoever things the law says, it says to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” – Romans 3:19-20, King James 2000

The purpose of the law is guilt, condemnation and judgment. It sets a moral standard by which we all fail, proving that we are indeed sinners. The law is a death sentence:

Once I was alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. The commandment that was meant for life resulted in death for me.” – Romans 7:9-10, Holman

The only person who ever kept the law perfectly and was declared righteous before God is Jesus Christ. That is why Jesus said in Matthew 5 that He came to fulfill the law. He was the only One who ever did! Furthermore, Jesus’ righteousness is the only righteousness we can ever hope to have:

But now, apart from the law, God’s righteousness has been revealed—attested by the Law and the Prophets—that is, God’s righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ, to all who believe.” – Romans 3:21-22, Holman

Did the Apostle Paul abolish the law then? No, he upheld the law, just like Jesus:

Do we then cancel the law through faith? Absolutely not! On the contrary, we uphold the law.” – Romans 3:31

The law exists to produce guilt and condemnation. That is why both Jesus in Matthew 5 and the Paul in Romans said they upheld the law. Therefore, once a person is convicted of sin by the law, he can turn to Jesus and find forgiveness by faith:

Therefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.” – Galatians 3:24-25, King James 2000

Then you might ask, how do we live righteously, if not by the law? The answer is by faith in Jesus Christ, as it states above in Romans 3:22. The Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit, dwells in us, leading and empowering us to walk in God’s righteousness:

I say then, walk by the Spirit and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh… But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.” – Galatians 5:16,18, Holman

The Holy Spirit is a Person, God’s Presence in us. Just as God’s Presence used to dwell in the temple in Jerusalem, now He dwells in our bodies. By contrast, the law is text, a written code. It does not dwell in us. We listen to and follow a Person. The Spirit will convict us and show us how to walk righteously, if we trust and obey Him. He will use Scriptures to enlighten us, even elements of the law, but we do not follow the law. We follow God’s Spirit in us.

How do we know if it is God’s Spirit? By the fruit it produces:

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, self-control.” – Galatians 5:22-23, Holman

In contrast, the works of the fleshly and the world bring:

sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I tell you about these things in advance—as I told you before—that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.” – Galatians 5:19-21, Holman

You see, God wants our character and values to reflect His. That is what He is growing in us. He is not telling us to obsess over a slew of rules and regulations.

Furthermore, the Apostle Paul wrote Galatians to a church that initially received the pure gospel of Jesus Christ, but was being influenced by false teachers to turn to the law of Moses.

O foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ has been openly set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, received you the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh?” – Galatians 3:1-3, King James 2000

The Galatians thought they had to observe Hebrew feasts and holidays:

Do you want to be enslaved to them all over again? You observe special days, months, seasons, and years. I am fearful for you, that perhaps my labor for you has been wasted.” – Galatians 4:9-11, Holman

They thought they had to be circumcised:

Take note! I, Paul, tell you that if you get yourselves circumcised, Christ will not benefit you at all… I wish those who are disturbing you might also get themselves castrated!” – Galatians 5:2,12, Holman

It is clear Paul was very concerned that the Galatians were falling away from Jesus Christ to embrace the law. This cuts to the heart of the Hebrew Roots movement. It is a false gospel that drives people away from salvation in Jesus Christ (Yeshua HaMashiach). Those who embrace the law cease to follow God’s Spirit and instead pursue the law by works of the flesh. They either become self-righteous and proud, like the Pharisees, or they fall under crippling guilt and condemnation.

The Hebrew Roots movement is a part of the great falling away that Paul prophesied would happen at the end of this age:

For that day [the Day of the Lord] will not come unless the apostasy [falling away] comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.” – 2 Thessalonians 2:3, Holman

I can also say from experience that there is a powerful religious spirit driving this movement and keeping people in bondage. To those who have embraced the Hebrew Roots doctrine, I urge you to repent because your salvation is in jeopardy and time is almost up.

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ADDENDUM - 9/10/2018

Below are a couple responses I wrote in a back-and-forth dialog with someone coming from the Hebrew Roots perspective. Hopefully they will further clarify this issue.


Hello ---------,

Yes, I confess the same. And yes, the principles of the law inform our morality and choices. I said so in my comment.

But we are not under the law if we are led by the Holy Spirit — if we are in Christ. We follow a Person, not a written code, because the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life!

-------, do you teach that God requires Christians to be circumcised, keep kosher and celebrate Hebrew feasts? If you say these things are optional, then I have no issue. If you say they are required, then my comment above is for you.

Blessings,




Hi -------,

I can see you are intelligent and well-read in the Scriptures. You know enough to know that one can go round-and-round the mulberry bush on these issues. 

I used to be trapped in legalism for a long time - not the Hebrew Roots, law-of-Moses variety, but my own form. It nearly wrecked my faith. The provision Jesus gave us to walk with Him and to walk in righteousness is the Holy Spirit. The Spirit comes first. The Spirit leads us into all truth. The Spirit tells us what to do and what not to do, if we learn to hear and trust his voice. It's not our carnal minds trying to noodle it out with the law. That's the old way and it failed and produced condemnation. We have trust the Spirit. Yes, we read the Scriptures, including the Torah, because it's God's word. However, it is the Spirit who enlightens our minds and shows us the way. "Christ in you, the hope of glory." We trust the Person first, not the letters on the page. In John 5, Jesus scolded the Pharisees because they studied the Scriptures diligently and thought that they have eternal life in them, but the Scriptures testify about Jesus and they refused to come to Him to have life. 

In the story of Acts 15, don't you see that the Hebrew Roots movement are one and the same as the party of the Pharisees in verse 5 who stood up and said: "It is necessary to circumcise them and to command them to keep the law of Moses!" Okay, you say no to circumcision, but you are still pushing for the law. While it was the Apostle James who responded, all the apostles in Jerusalem were involved in the decision. That would imply Peter and John too. They emphatically decided that believers in Christ are NOT under the law of Moses. The Pharisees were wrong. This was the teaching of the early Christian church. I'm not sure why the apostles gave those four particular requirements. They seem arbitrary to me, but must have been addressing some issues they believed important to highlight. The prohibition against drinking blood, and by extension eating strangled animals because the blood coagulates in the carcass, goes back to what God commanded Noah after the flood. That precedes the law, which may be why it was called out. Of course, those four requirements are not the sum total of what it is to walk with God. Again, we have the Spirit to lead us.

If we are not trusting the provision Jesus Christ gave us to walk with God, then are we really trusting Christ?

Regarding food and health, I personally avoid pork and rarely eat it (once or twice a year) because it is unhealthy. But so are GMO foods, canola oil, high-fructose corn syrup and vaccines, which I avoid for the same reason. I have never heard God's Spirit tell me not to eat pork. I do it for common sense health reasons, though I can appreciate why it was forbidden under the law.

I hope this helps.

Blessings,

Mike